Hi , How do you base grenadier battalions , i read that for hesse and kassel that two companies of grenadiers were joined with the two compannies from another battalion to make a four company battalion ,which in the how rules system in my interpretation would mean two bases ,is this correct?
As with most games, there's a certain amount of abstraction. All my battalions are four stands so I just paint half from one unit and the rest from another. See photo forum for a pic of my Hessian converged Gren Batt. Rather than trying to mimick exact numbers I am more focussed on what looks good on the table. Eye candy is what people remember rather than absolute historical correctness. It's a game after all. Pretty figs will always trump orbats!
My standard size units deviate from Keith's recommended sizes with both cavalry and infantry units being of equal width (like the Rules) but of four bases wide. My Prussian army has two Grenadier units. One unit (which happens to be a converged Grenadier battalion) is of standard size (four bases) (being Prussian, one could argue that is a full strength battalion). The other (which happens to be a Standing Grenadier battalion - it could easily have been the other way around) is a small unit (two bases) (which could represent an understrength battalion). My Austrian army has two standard size Grenadier battalions; this gives me the additional options of one large unit (six bases - I understand Austrian converged battalions could be composed of up to six companies) and one small unit (two bases) OR four small units (two bases each).
Moral of the story is - please yourself (or, in the case of my Prussians, I simply ran out of figures! ).
The three replies above tell you all you need to know. I use the same 5 base unit of 20 figures for my converged grenadiers as I do for my line battalions. It's just a convention - 20 figure units look right to me, and work nicely on the table. There's no need to fret about how many bases relate to how many companies.
The only thing you have to get straight in your head is classifying your 'standard', 'small' and 'large' units. The rules should tell you all you need to know about this. See pages 8, 10 and 38. Of course, you can make all your units 'standard' if you want. The possibility of variation is only there if you feel you need it.
their where 2 converged grenadier battalions a 3rd was later raised but I dont know if it ever saw action.The grenadier battalions were on paper only 20 men short of normal battalion strengh so dont worry about it.
it all depends on the army in question - doctrine varied greatly. For example at Fontenoy (both in the lead up and the battle itself), the Dutch assembled their grenadiers into ad-hoc or 'converged' battalions, whilst the British did the same on the eve of the battle when clearing the French outposts (due to specific orders from Cumberland) but during the battle the grenadier companies were with their parent units, and were mainly used for shifting the supporting 3lb guns.
Austria invariably deployed converged battalions (most regiments of the WAS having 15 fusilier companies - in three battalions - and 2 grenadier companies), but the drain on Austrian manpower was always such that you wouldn't necessarily have a full regiment at a specific place at a specific time.
Which incidentally touches on Dramitz' question on another thread regarding the fact that at Fontenoy the Styrum and de Ligne dragoons each deployed a division of troops (i.e. two squadrons) whilst at Dettingen they were far stronger, it all comes down to commitments - In 1745 the Austrians had either sent the bulk of their forces in Flanders to support operations in central Germany, or they had purposely left them in garrison in order to release the maximum number of Anglo-Hanoverian or Dutch (ok not necessarily native born Dutch, but rather Swiss in Dutch service) troops for the field army.
The Prussians detached the grenadier companies of each regiment(ie 2 coys) at the outbreak of hostilities, and paired them up, so that grenadier battalions had 4 companies from 2 regiments. These were generally permananent for the course of the war, and referred to by the name of the commander. Modern sources tend to refer to them by the numbers of their parent regiments eg 15/18. Prussian grenadier battalions had 4 companies, rather than the 5 left in the remaining musketeer battalions, but the strength is around about the same. The Prussians also created "Standing" grenadier battalions- generally from the grenadier companies of garrison battalions. The quality seems to have been comaparable with line grenadiers. I game with 28mms, and use 5 stand units for both musketeer/Fusilier units and grenadiers. With my Austrians, who seem to have favoured ad hoc converging of grenadiers, I have 6 stand units, one of which is grenadiers. In battle the grenadier stands are detached from the parent units, and made into a converged battalion(s). We're fairly relaxed as to unit sizes- 4 and 5 stand units are regarded as normal sized. 6+ as large (for infantry) and 3- as small.
In truth, we've never used a large infantry unit Keith! In a campaign setting, we've used small and tiny units- mainly for cavalry detachments. In this regard we use 12 figures (6 stands) as a normal sized cavalry unit, 16 figures for a large (ie Bayreuth Dragoons or Prussian Hussars) unit. 4 stands we consider small and 2 tiny. This worked rather well (the tiny unit idea came from the AWI thread) in a campaign for minor skirmish actions.