Post by WS Pursuivant Esq on Feb 15, 2017 14:59:41 GMT
OK so I've managed to paint up some 15mm Dixon Marlburians as my first step into wargaming again. It was enough of a shock to squint through spectacled eyes and learn to apply paint again but even more of a shock to try to base 4 of them on a regulation 20mm square base. Dixon's 15mm are amply proportioned without being oversize. Even so the "at attention" Musketeers AM8 are only just fitting.
Other figures advancing or in sentinel pose appear to clash in depth. Officer drummer and ensign figures give similar issues. Not much room for any garden shrubbery on the base either.
At the moment I am planning to use a pair of AM16 pikemen standing at ease to become ensigns together with a pair of drummers at the front. This looks like a tight fit.
I will probably need to match back rows of at attention or marching muskteers with a more animated front row figure.
Is this the norm? Would a 20mm X 25mm depth base be accepted instead?
Another thought was to make up a leadership base for each regiment consisting of officers (and sergeants?) Standing or advancing in front. Perhaps 3 or even 5 figures on a 60mm or 100mm X 20mm base respectively. Plenty of room for shrubbery here.
Why? Well I can see examples of paintings that illustrate officers advancing in front of their men and I would expect it to add to the spectacle of the game even if there is no rule mechanism governing presence or loss of unit leadership.
The depth of the base is less critical, but cramming modern figures onto bases is a perennial problem nowadays. All scales of figures have become bulkier in recent years- 28mms are a case in point. Unless it's a light infantry unit- pretty rare in the WSS, I stick to "march attack" poses.
Post by andywarnapeaux on Feb 27, 2017 19:25:08 GMT
We base our Dixons figures as follows:
Infantry, 12 figs per unit. 4 bases, each one 3cm x 2cm, 3 infantry per base. Cavalry, 8 figs per unit. 4 bases, each one 3cm x 3cm, 2 cavalry per base. Artillery, 4 crew, 1 gun, 3cm x 6cm base
As you quite rightly said, Dixons (and lots of other makes) will not fit on square bases. The above base sizes also have the advantage of being useable for other rule sets (like Maurice). To see pics of my basing look for the FB group "The Marlburian Wargamer", link here:
I have also loaded a word file in the Photos section of this forum under "Dixon's WSS French" and finally managed to get Photobucket to load up so there are pics too. As I like wavy flags I have made the middle two bases into one!
You'll hate my pref! Infantry, 32 figs per unit. 4 bases, each one 4cm x 3cm, 8 infantry per base. Cavalry, 12 figs per unit. 4 bases, each one 4cm x 3cm, 3 cavalry per base. Artillery, 4 crew, 1 gun, 4cm x 4cm base or deeper for larger pieces As you see from my pics I use Eureka's 18mm and I like the look of massed rank, plus I'm a painting masochist!
Post by WS Pursuivant Esq on Mar 1, 2017 0:17:55 GMT
.......grinding of teeth in background....
Appreciate the constructive comments from all here and I'm now learning to not take everything in HoW quite so literally. I initially started with the 20mm X 20mm square format and discovered the stated issues. I have since procured some nicely cut 20mm X 25mm mdf bases and started the process of laying out my first (ever) regiment including ensigns, drummers officers and ncos. Frontage seems OK and depth is better however larger 18mm figures may require more real estate as DaveMelb has suggested. A 3 or 4 man base frontage would certainly reduce the number to juggle in formation.
I've read that the marching frontage and depth of a regiment was larger than when it locked into a firing formation. A question is which one are we trying to represent here ? Elsewhere in the rules it talks about lining up opposed regiments to simplify complex 2 vs 1 exchanges.
I suppose ultimately if it looks right and games right with cooperating players then dont worry having minor differences in basing or let it be a reason for one side fighting at a disadvantage.
Last point is that I'm toying with the idea of basing officers in front leading their men forward. This might mean alternate bases become 20mm X 40mm (deep) to accommodate 5 figures. I'll have to finish a few examples and then make a decision whether this adds anything worthwhile visually or just looks cluttered.
The key with basing is to try to avoid ever having to re-base. Rules writers are becoming very aware of this now. The basing I described was appropriate for a very popular older set of rules called "Warfare in the Age of Reason" (now on 3rd ed). When the rule sets "Maurice" and "Might and Reason" were written they were compatible. As was "Twilight of the Sun King". The basing should be fine for HoW too.
A lot of rules these days do not have casualty removal. Consequently what comprises a battalion/regiment doesn't really matter (as long as it looks right to you). I doubt whether we will ever see numerous National competitions for any war gaming from the "Horse & Musket" to "Pike & Shot" era so the need for nationwide consistency has gone. Check what your local club does for basing - that's the key here.